Innovation in the workplace is transforming how we approach our professional environments. Are you equipped to foster innovation at your company?
In this episode, our host Porschia Parker Griffin, along with guest Mike Petruski, explore the vital role of innovation in the workplace. Mike, a seasoned expert in facility management and the digital workplace, shares valuable insights from his extensive experience.
Together, they discuss effective ways to cultivate an innovative culture that not only welcomes change but thrives on it, enhancing both employee engagement and organizational performance. They also delve into how leaders can spearhead innovation by adapting to new technologies and methodologies.
Mike Petrusky is the host of the “Workplace Innovator Podcast” and “Asset Champion Podcast,” both powered by Eptura™. Since joining iOffice in 2018, he has navigated mergers to create Eptura™. A dynamic speaker and seasoned marketer, Mike shares thought leadership with CRE, FM, and IT leaders, inspiring professionals with his focus on human experiences and workplace connections.
What you’ll learn:
- What innovation in the workplace is and its importance in organizations today.
- How to foster a culture that embraces and thrives on change.
- Effective strategies for integrating innovation into daily operations.
- The role of leadership in driving and sustaining workplace innovation.
- Practical tips for integrating new technologies and methodologies to enhance workplace efficiency.
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- Episode Transcript
Porschia: [00:00:00] Today we are talking about innovation in the workplace with Mike Petruski. Mike Petruski is host of the Workplace Innovator Podcast and Asset Champion Podcast, both shows powered by Aptura. He joined iOffice in March of 2018 with a mission to energize the company’s live events. And has been on a journey through the mergers with SpaceIQ and Condeco to create Aptura.
He is a dynamic [00:01:00] speaker, podcaster, and seasoned marketer who has a passion for sharing Aptura’s unique brand of thought leadership to CRE, FM, and IT leaders in the digital workplace. Mike inspires industry professionals with his focus on shared human experiences and workplace connections. Hi, Mike. How are you today?
Mike: Wow. Portia, it is great to be here. Thank you for that introduction. The pressure’s on after hearing that I better bring it. I got to bring the dynamic podcaster vibe and I am so excited to be on your show. You’ve done it. You’ve done it for me. You’ve been my guest a number of times. So thank you for that.
- The least I could do is return the favor here on career. One on one Portia Parker Griffin.
Porschia: I’m excited to have you, Mike. I wanted to roll out the red carpet for you with that intro. [00:02:00] So that was me doing so, and we are. Really excited to have you discussing innovation in the workplace.
Something that you know quite a bit about from some different angles. But first we want to know a little more about you. So tell me about seven year old Mike.
Mike: Oh, that little boy with the ginger red hair. Being teased, being called sparky and carrot top. No, those were the formative years, Portia. And I really look back on them fondly.
I always wanted to be an entertainer. I always wanted to make people laugh. And I didn’t know how I could turn that into a career unless I became a stand up comedian or an actor or something. And that wasn’t in the cards. I went off to the traditional schooling and college and learned the trade of marketing.
And in a way you get to do things like [00:03:00] appeal to people’s emotions and have fun with it. And it led into a career of sales and marketing. And at the time I was in school, I did a little DJing, DJing You’re familiar with this.
Porschia: Yes. I want
Mike: to talk about myself in the third person, but DJ Mike P
Porschia: has
Mike: always been a thing.
The Red Rocker was another moniker I went by when I was the host of a rock radio station down in Blacksburg Virginia tech, Hokies, go Hokies. Any anybody out there from that? My, my alma mater. So as I was becoming a DJ and becoming a marketer, I’m like, how can I combine these two things?
And it took 10 or 15 years before the opportunity arose. But then I became a podcaster for this wonderful software company now called Aptura, and I get to live out my dream. So it all started in that little seven year old’s bedroom, I imagine.
Porschia: Yes. We are fortunate to have the red rocker with us today.
Yes. So Mike, tell us about, and I think you started [00:04:00] sharing a bit about your journey, but tell us more about some highlights or pivotal moments in your career.
Mike: Yeah, I can look back now, and this is a big lesson for anybody listening who’s in the middle of a period of uncertainty or not really sure what comes next.
I’ve had several of those, as I’m sure many of us have, and it’s not until you get down the road a ways and you can look back in hindsight and say, oh, that was a major moment, a major shift in my life. My journey. And for me, it was this coming out of the world of printing, marketing and sales, where I was focused on the physical ink on paper.
You remember that thing? We had newspapers portion. We used to hand out brochures and business cards back in the pre digital age. I made a career, pretty nice career for a long time, selling those types of products and services. And It wasn’t until this thing called the internet came along that I said, Hey, I’ve got to, shift my thinking and [00:05:00] make a big change here.
And it was at that time that I was also introduced to the world of facility management and corporate real estate and this great community of practitioners who care for the built environment and the people who. Occupy our places and spaces. And I said, there’s got to be a way for me to combine these two interests, my desire to try something new in the world of marketing and also do something to help this community of facility managers, and that’s where the.
Podcasting career started and it was really, it took five years plus for this, all this evolution to take place. And that’s why it doesn’t happen overnight. But now looking back, everybody’s Oh, Mike, you became a podcaster well known for this profession overnight. But it really took, down 10 years total a decade or more.
That was a big shift and it’s been a wonderful blessing. I think I was met, I think I was introduced to you, Portia, early in that process when I [00:06:00] joined iOffice, which is now Aptura and was introduced by the wonderful Elizabeth Dukes, who was our co founder. And she was the one who really, I give a lot of credit to.
She saw what I was doing independently as a podcast host and said, Mike, we want you on our marketing team. And I think you have a voice that we’d love to bring to the show. Elevate and amplify and the rest is history. I’ve been here now six years. So that was a lot of turns, a lot of twists and turns in the journey, but it happened over a long period of time.
Porschia: Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. It’s important for people to know about the journey, right? Elizabeth is great and very forward thinking. I was talking to another guest not too long ago, and he had a similar experience in terms of being tapped on the shoulder to lead a podcast and kind of be the voice for the company he was working for.
And so he was, very charismatic like you and just had that [00:07:00] vision. It’s great that you like stepped into that and leaned into that as well. So I want to shift into talking about innovation in the workplace. Mike, why is there a focus on workplace innovation with the podcast that you host?
Or one of them, I should say.
Mike: Yes. One of them, the one I think is most relevant to your audience is the Workplace Innovator podcast. And it’s funny when we were chatting just before clicking record, I realized that I don’t really focus on that innovation. Peace. I focus more on the workplace and working and this new frontier of working and how we’re all doing things in a hybrid way and a distributed way and drawing people back into offices with great amenities and great experiences, the employee experience.
These are all things that you and I have talked about over the years, and it’s more important today than ever, but the innovation side, I’ve got to remember that innovation was the inspiration. [00:08:00] For me, when I started my very first podcast, which became the workplace innovator prior to that was called the FM innovator.
And at the time I thought, as a marketer and as someone who was trying to bridge the divide between the facility management practitioner and that community with the vendor companies, the suppliers that were bringing different products and services and expertise to the table, I was really first targeting that community.
The. The salespeople and the marketers who are saying, I have a product to sell to facility managers, or I have a service to provide, and I need to get their attention and I need to, share my story. And I said, listen, innovation requires that you do it in a different way than you once did back in the day of printing.
We, you would hand out brochures or we had mail a brochure out, or we would put a big poster or billboard up and say, here’s what I do. Come let me work with you. And it was a very. Different world evolving during the digitization age of the internet age, where it became, I can now search for you when I’m ready for [00:09:00] you.
You can’t come into my world and disrupt me. So marketers had to innovate and become more valuable content providers. And they had to share their expertise through different means on the internet, blogging, research reports, videos, and podcasts. So that was the origin story for this podcast called the FM innovator, where I said, Hey, Supplier who wants to reach the community of facility management buyers.
You need to be innovating and creating valuable content that will get their attention and they’ll come to you. They’ll learn about you and they’ll explore what you can do for them by building that rapport and that relationship. So that was the first. Innovation kind of idea that came to me and there weren’t a lot of people at the time.
Can you imagine, six, seven, eight years ago, podcasting was a thing. There was definitely a lot of podcasts out there. I’m sure the listeners know that they were listening to murder mysteries or through crime. What are the big podcasts [00:10:00] that have always been out there, but in the world of facility management, it was not a lot of people talking about it, at least in that format.
So in a way I, I feel like I was innovating. My career and going out and saying, here’s a new way to deliver valuable content and information. And the audience came and it grew from there. Now, fast forward, six, seven, eight years later, and it’s a crowded space, but Hey, plenty of room in the pool. I’m all for, an abundance mentality where we all get to share in this experience together.
But everybody has to bring their own creativity, their own. Innovative angle to the table. And that then now is reflected on the other side of the aisle, the facility manager or the corporate real estate leader or the workplace leader of any kind has to think outside the box and be innovative in how they run their workplace.
How they care for the built environment and how they sell their ideas to their leadership team, whatever that may look like. Maybe it’s a new technology tool they have to get [00:11:00] somebody to commit budget to. Maybe it’s some new design or a, or even a move or some major change in the real estate portfolio.
And we all need to innovate, don’t we? So it’s an innovator It’s a culture of innovation. Is this something we have to all participate in? And that’s where the show is today.
Porschia: That’s great, Mike. And you have done hundreds of interviews on your show and you’re getting ready to come up on that 300th.
Episode marker. So I knew you’d be a wealth of information when it comes to, talking about innovation, within different organizations to the point you just mentioned, many companies are now focused on cultivating that culture of innovation. And you hear that term thrown around a bit.
What does innovation mean to you?
Mike: I think in the simplest terms, it means. Thinking outside the box, getting out of our comfort zone, [00:12:00] approaching things from a different perspective, putting yourself in the shoes of others, and then saying, how can I. Approach this problem, this situation, this opportunity.
Again, I talk in terms of opportunities and challenges, but it’s all good, right? We need to embrace the change. And how do I do it in a way that is maybe different than what I’m used to or what I’m comfortable with? Portia, remember that book, Who Moved My Cheese? I think it was Dr. Spencer. Yeah, I haven’t heard about
Porschia: that in a long time.
Yes, I do remember that.
Mike: I just brought it up recently on, in another conversation, and I often mention it on my presentations because listen, In many ways, whatever you’re doing today, your cheese has been moved. And for those that don’t know the cliff notes version of that book, and it’s not a long book, you should get it and read it from the nineties, but it’s still very relevant today.
It made a huge impact on me during that transitional period. I talked about earlier. It’s the idea of a, it’s the story of [00:13:00] a. mouse that goes into a maze and goes and finds a big pile of cheese and each day sits and enjoys that pile of cheese and they do it every day routinely and they’re very good at it.
They know exactly where to go in the maze. It’s very routine. It’s very much in their skill set. And then one day they go into the maze as usual and the cheese is no longer there. The cheese has been moved and now the mouse is up against a dilemma, a challenge. What do I do? Do I sit here and wait for the cheese to return?
Most likely it’s not going to. The cheese has been moved somewhere else in the maze. How do I go out there and venture out and find a new pile of cheese? And it’s obviously a metaphor or an analogy. I can never remember which term is correct for our careers and for our journeys and for our organizations and the culture around us.
Things are constantly changing. The cheese is constantly being moved. It happened when I was seeing my business dwindle in the printing world. I had to get into the world of software. How was I going to get to from point A to point B? I went through a very challenging time of not [00:14:00] knowing. I didn’t know how to podcast.
I didn’t know how to really do digital marketing. I didn’t know anything about software and I had to learn a lot and it took a long time and a lot of effort and a lot of discomfort because what I was good at and what I was comfortable with was. The easy thing, the hard thing is doing that thing that you’re not used to upskilling, learning something new and moving along.
So I think all of that encompasses innovation. In our career and take that metaphor and apply it to any dilemma or challenge you’re facing in whether it’s a workplace design, the implementation and the adoption of a new technology tool, the learning of a new strategy or acceptance of a new policy, people need leaders to lead them through these changes and we need to be inspired.
And that’s what I try to do on my show. I know you do it here on this show. You’re helping give people that roadmap. To get to where they’re going and enjoy the journey along the way. So that’s all [00:15:00] innovation to me.
Porschia: Great. So let’s say someone, an executive or an entrepreneur is interested in innovation.
They want to think about how that applies to their organization. How would you say someone would know if their organization is innovative or not?
Mike: Wow. That is a good question [00:16:00] because how do we measure it? How do you measure innovation? I think the big misconception among many of us, and certainly it was my misconception about what innovation is that it has to be some dramatic, huge change or development or technology advancement.
And I remember when I was starting my first podcast, I was looking for quotes. I love inspirational quotes. I’ve asked you to bring them to my podcast and all my guests bring some innovation, I’m sorry, some inspirational quote. But remember back in the day when, Steve Jobs introduces the iPhone in the year 2007.
I’ll tell you exactly when it was because I was doing my podcasting journey at the beginning of 2017. So 10 years later, and there was another, there was a quote in there about how Innovation is not always some huge breakthrough every time. It’s a constant thing. And if you’re going to be an innovator, start with the small things that may lead to big things.
Don’t expect to invent the [00:17:00] new iPhone. Tomorrow or overnight. So it really resonated with me because for one, I was a BlackBerry user back in 2007. I don’t know about you. What were you using? I,
Porschia: I was not, I was, I just had a regular, probably flip phone.
Mike: Jumped right to the iPhone.
Porschia: I, but my sister was a BlackBerry user, so I know how there were some enthusiasts out there.
Mike: I’m sure there are listening to us today. And we held onto those BlackBerrys for the longest time because the iPhone came along and I remember instantly, there’s also that resistance to change. I’m very comfortable on this BlackBerry. It’s got a full QWERTY keyboard and it’s very cool. And my thumbs have learned how to use it.
Changing that and going to some touchscreen, which was terrible at the time, you thought there’s no way I can make this change. And I resisted for a number of years. I don’t remember exactly how many, but BlackBerry thought incorrectly, it turns out that everybody would stick with their BlackBerry because this iPhone was just for, silly gaming [00:18:00] and not for a serious business user.
Fast forward 10 years later, and I noticed as I was doing my presentations about being an FM innovator and being. Open to change in 2017, 10 years after the iPhone, everybody in the room held up their iPhone and nobody had a Blackberry anymore. So there’s another quote, speaking of Steve Jobs from his arch rival, Bill Gates.
And I’ll paraphrase it, but it’s something like we always overestimate the pace of change in a year or two things. We always think it’s going to. Be faster. Things are going to change faster in a year or two. And we underestimate how quickly things will change in 10 years. And I thought that iPhone example was a really great, story to tell.
It’s like in those first couple of years, when they was first introduced, I was resistant, I held onto my BlackBerry. I thought this isn’t going to change my world, but look 10 years later and look back and you say, Wow. What an amazing innovation. What an amazing change. And [00:19:00] it happened gradually, but then it happened all of a sudden.
So the point of that story is really don’t get caught in the mistake of looking at things short term and expecting things to happen overnight. And if they don’t, you say, this isn’t going to really impact me. Think about AI today. Think about all the things going on in that world. And people are like, yeah, I see it.
I see there’s a huge. Leap into technology here, but it’s not going to impact my job. Not going to impact what I do each day. Talk to me 10 years from now and let’s look back and see what actually happened in our world through AI and maybe other technology advancements. That’s the power of innovation.
Porschia: I agree. To echo some of what you said, the way I think about it from, an external kind of consulting perspective, when we go into organizations in terms of thinking, are they innovative or not? I just look around [00:20:00] and see, do people freak out with change? If someone moves the cheese Mike is, does that.
Everything stop. Are they not able to adapt? Are they not able to function? I think those are some good clues as well. For you to know if an organization is innovative or not. We touch.
Mike: Yeah, steal that Porsche. Can I use that on my show?
Porschia: Go for it. Feel free to steal it. We touched on the whole idea of a culture of innovation before.
Do you think it’s possible to create or promote a culture of innovation in organizations?
Mike: I do. And that may be because I’m just a silly optimist and I have way, probably more faith in my fellow human beings than I should, but it’s based on reality and it’s based on evidence. So you mentioned another thing in there, in the same breath as culture of innovation, you said change, and you talked about.
Change management. I know you do a lot of this with your clients. A lot of my guests have talked about it. In fact, [00:21:00] that’s the theme of 2024 so far for me on my podcast. Portia is change is constant change is happening. How will you adapt? How will you adjust and how will you embrace that change and how will you help your team, your organization and the people around you?
Either embrace that change or get past the resistance to change because there’s a lot of paradoxes around change. I love the idea of workplace paradoxes, human paradoxes, the things like speaking of technology that we’re more connected than ever before because of technology, we can do these zoom calls.
We can have all this wonderful interaction online, but we’re also at the same time, paradoxically. More lonely than ever before, more disconnected than ever before. How can these two both be true? But they are same with change. Change is hard and people are resistant to change. But look long term human beings are the most [00:22:00] adaptable.
Creatures for change long term we’ve done in May, amazing things as people and as humans to change. So how do you blend those two concepts and make sense of it in an organization, in a culture and create that culture of innovation? I think it comes down to leadership. I think it comes down to communication.
It comes down to understanding human behavior and what it takes to Lead people to be their best selves. I think one of the tensions that we’ve experienced and talked about a lot on my show, Portia, I’d love to get your current take on it. Cause we haven’t had you on for a while, but is this, We’re coming out of a period post pandemic where this false binary has been presented to us in the polarized headlines of the media.
Either everybody’s going to work from home forever or CEOs are going to mandate a return to office five days a week. We know anybody in this industry, anyone in a workplace leadership role knows that it’s going to be [00:23:00] some blend of that. It’s a nuanced conversation. It depends on the person, the personality, the needs of that individual.
The role they play and how much interaction they need with their team. But we also emotional when we see a headline that gets us upset. And it’s not just in the world of. This workplace binary, but in our broader culture, everybody knows how to push our buttons as human beings and get us, to turn off our sensible mind and get into this.
I’m on this side or I’m on that side. It’s not very rarely. Is it a binary choice? It’s some gray area. It’s some nuance area. So a good leader, I think, understands that and will take the time to Understand the needs of individuals on their team, understand the needs of the organization, the business outcomes we’re looking for, and then find a path to get from point A to point B using innovative tools and creative tactics and empathy and understanding all the things that make for a great [00:24:00] leader today and building a culture that highlights that level of psychological safety and allows people to bring their best selves to the workplace.
Because I’ll leave you with my favorite quote about change on this topic. Is that change is hard because people overestimate the value of what they currently have and underestimate the value of what they may gain by giving that up. And it’s a leader’s job to communicate that value and share that story so we can all get to that future place where the change has been implemented, the innovation has taken place, and the culture has gotten better because of it.
Porschia: Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree. Your points about leadership, communication, understanding human behavior and those business outcomes, I do think are all super important when it comes to culture and then also a culture of [00:25:00] innovation. So I know that you have talked to a ton of people on your podcast, Mike and, Also, you’ve gone through some organizational changes and shifts and mergers and acquisitions.
I want to know, and we can not say any names and protect the innocent, but what are some of the biggest mistakes you’ve seen maybe executives or entrepreneurs make when it comes to innovation?
Mike: I’ll tell you a funny one, just it comes to mind. And again, you didn’t prepare me for this question, but it’s something I love getting into these conversations.
When we. Became this global work tech provider. And you mentioned it lots of mergers acquisitions from all across the globe. And I just loved it. It’s been like this joyful experience. Cause I’ve had some experiences meeting people from other countries, other parts of the world through the podcast. Then all of a sudden now I have colleagues that work in the UK or in Australia, and I’ve had the chance to now visit [00:26:00] those places personally in real life.
And it’s like this dream come true. So DJ Mike P again. Living the dream here. But One of the funny things is that there are differences, subtle, but significant differences in culture and the way we describe things or the way we approach things. And my American, bravado and silliness, and, it’s all in good hearted, good, fun, positive nature, at least that’s my intent sometimes comes across in some other cultures in a little bit of a.
Yeah. Disjointed or maybe jarring way. So I’ve learned some lessons that I won’t give names, my favorite game to play Portia is, the celebrity you most resemble. And if I’ll see you, and I’ll meet you and I’ll say, Hey, you remind me of this celebrity. And usually it’s some glamorous, movie star and people are like, Oh thank you very much.
I made the mistake of telling someone they look like a certain. Celebrity, well known person who’s not known for his or her good looks. I’ll keep it very generic, but I think they’re a great [00:27:00] performer and a great personality. And it just didn’t come across the way I intended. So that’s an example of, and again, innocent and no one was hurt in this situation.
I explained the details behind it. And it just shows that you have to be, mindful of the different nuances of, Of human existence. I think we have much, much more in common than not, but at the same time, there are subtle differences and sometimes significant differences in our upbringing and our experience and our life journey.
And to be respectful of that and to be empathetic about that and to really try to put yourself in the other person’s shoes and see it from their point of view. That’s probably one of the biggest lessons this whole journey has had on my life I think this understanding started more than eight years ago when I started getting into podcasting and I started interviewing people from other places and I had up until that point never really traveled outside the U. S. And I was this American and we have a [00:28:00] little bit of a, how shall I say it kindly?
Elevated view of ourselves compared to the rest of the world. Sometimes in our culture, again, it’s a great thing to be patriotic. And I pride myself on that, but at the same time, if you express some things about that in a way to someone from another part of the world, it may come across as unintentionally as arrogance or something less positive.
So I learned along the way to be a little bit more humble, a little bit more understanding and empathetic, and also learn that, hey, my experience is not the same as everyone else’s. What can you teach me? What can you learn? What can we learn together? And I think by having that mindset shift, from my earliest days to this more recent experience has been a really valuable and really powerful one.
And it’s something that I think most organizations are on a journey to get to that place of understanding and under, and not just within a global perspective, but even in. The U S and in our organizations, we have so many people from different experiences [00:29:00] coming together. We need to care for one another and be mindful of that.
And I think that’s something that really is going to help an organization in the long run.
Porschia: So tell us more about your podcast, Mike.
Mike: Thank you, Portia. It is a show about the world of work and the workplace. And what we try to do is inspire workplace leaders to lead their teams using inspiration and Understanding and change management and technology.
Of course, being that I work for a software company, we really believe that there’s some great opportunities to use technology as one of the many levers that help an organization grow and thrive and innovate, and there’s a lot of work to do out there. I think we have discussed much of it here that people are people.
And I often use music as a way to get to the bottom of things. I don’t remember what. [00:30:00] Music you share with me on my show, I often break into song if someone inspires me and we do that on the show to have a little fun, but also just to prove my point from earlier that we are all people and we all have more in common than not.
And let’s find those places of common ground and interest and have a fun time with it. But then we get into serious conversations around workplace strategy and. Technology and some of the challenges that are presented when leading teams and leading people through what is in many ways, uncharted territory for us here in the new frontier of work and workplaces.
So it’s a vast world, many opportunities to share ideas and inspiration and hopefully a few laughs along the way.
Porschia: I agree. I agree. I think there are a lot of laughs along the way, Mike. And I encourage everyone to check out the Workplace Innovator Podcast. I think there’s something you can take from it, even if you’re not in, facilities management or [00:31:00] IT.
So we’ll be providing a link to your website so people can check out the show and also your social channels in the show notes so people can find you online. But what is the best way for someone to get in touch with you, Mike?
Mike: Thank you for that, Portia. I think still LinkedIn is the best way I spend most of my time there.
I have avoided getting too involved in some of the other social media channels, unless I’m on Instagram, looking at reels and learning about my latest star Wars theories or fandom. I’m a big nerd, as I’ll join you there for the fun stuff and the Star Wars and Dune conversations, Lord of the Rings, whatever sci fi you want to get into, but for workplace innovator and asset champion and all my work at Aptura, look for me on LinkedIn.
I think I’m the only Mike Petruski that has a profile, but I appreciate anybody who wants to reach out and continue the conversation. And thank you for allowing me to do it here with you on this podcast. [00:32:00]
Porschia: Absolutely. Now, Mike, I want to ask you our final question. How do you think executives or professionals can get a positive edge in their career?
Mike: Wow. I’m a big baseball fan, Portia, and it’s this time of year that gets me most excited. I just returned from Florida, my Washington National Spring Training, so nothing but inspiration coming from there. And there’s so many great sports metaphors. I could give you quote after quote from Yogi Berra.
The future ain’t what it used to be. And if you’re getting discouraged with all this change and all the things happening and you’re feeling overwhelmed by it, remember it ain’t over till it’s over, right? But the greatest quote from Yogi Berra is related to baseball, but also related to our careers and our life and the work we do is this never let the fear of striking out, keep you from playing the game.
And if we keep that in [00:33:00] mind, listen, we’re going to make mistakes. We’re going to fail. Do it fast, put the bat down, maybe throw the bat into the dugout, but then get it up, get it back in hand again, and take another swing at the plate because you’re never out of opportunities to hit it out of the park, make that change.
And. Continue to play the game.
Porschia: Yes, I definitely agree. It’s about staying in the game. Mike, you have shared a lot of insights with us today, and I’m sure that our listeners can use it to be more confident in their careers and with their innovation. We appreciate you being with us.
Mike: Thank you, Portia. [00:34:00]
